"The Ripist" Speaks; FBI Coaching is "Duley" noted.

Thank you Glenn Greenwald, Larisa Alexandrovna and all the vigilant watchdogs over at Democratic Underground for all your probing. It was Glenn Greenwald's great piece today:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/05/anthrax/index.html?source=rss

That led me to the testimony regarding the peace order that Ivin's "theripist" Jean Duley was seeking:


Ivins was supposed to have a permanent commitment hearing at Sheppard Pratt, but Duley said his attorney advised him to check himself in voluntarily so that he may leave when he wished. Drawbaugh told the court he probably was being released from the hospital as the hearing was going on. --

She decided to get the peace order after an FBI agent working the case suggested it.

Drawbaugh: "At this time, Ms. Duley, are you fearful for your personal safety?"

Duley: "I am and so is the FBI."

Drawbaugh: "OK. And can you tell the court why it is based on what you have testified to during the course of since July 9 that you are fearful of your safety?"

Duley: "As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer. When he feels he that he has been slighted or has had ... especially towards women ... he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killing. He has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic homicidal killer."

Roberts granted the temporary peace order and set a hearing for a final peace order Thursday -- a day before Duley was set to testify against Ivins before a federal grand jury. The court ordered Ivins not to abuse or contact Duley or go to her home or job. The order was dismissed Thursday after Ivins' apparent suicide.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78406

My initial questions: She's fearful of her safety since July 9, yet she doesn't file for a peace order until the FBI tells her to?! He's attempted to murder several people through poisoning since 2000? Did he just happen to slip that nugget to her and neglect to mention "Oh, by the way, I mailed out all that anthrax after 9/11 too"? Or did she find that out from those "several top psychiatrists"?

Puhleeze. I want to know if there is one sentence she uttered that wasn't coached out of her by the FBI.

Then I checked back with a fantastic thread started by autorank on DU:

Anthrax, Bruce Ivins Case Research-Resource Thread - Update & Rate Please
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3728633

In post 115, autorank has a great comment on the story:

From your link to the Frederick Post story above -

Ivins and hospitalization:

"Ivins was supposed to have a permanent commitment hearing at Sheppard Pratt, but Duley said his (Ivins) attorney advised him to check himself in voluntarily so that he may leave when he wished. Drawbaugh told the court he probably was being released from the hospital as the hearing was going on. --

"This is wrong, lacks any logic. You don't "check" yourself in to preserve the option to leave - IF YOU ARE A DANGER TO SELF AND OTHERS. That's the law everywhere. If there was a worry on Ivins and/or his attorney's part that he'd be detained once in the hospital, the voluntary or involuntary commitment would not be the issue. The issue would focus on the evaluation that took place. The fact that Ivins checked in, understandable given the intensity of the pressure, could be an argument in favor of his mental stability, e.g., 'he was so confident that he wasn't unstable, he checked himself into a major psychiatric hospital knowing that they'd release him after a respite period.'

That's what's bothersome about so much with Duley, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. By the logic of Duley's statement from Frederick paper, we would have this situation: Ivins voluntarily checks himself in at Shepard Pratt. They decide that he is all those things that she says he is. They want him to stay but Ivins says, 'Sorry, you can't make me do that since I checked myself in voluntarily which means, NO MATTER WHAT YOU FOUND ABOUT ME, I get to leave since I voluntarily admitted myself.'

And what's a "permanent commmittment?" You are given a life sentence in psychiatric care. People do get better. So by Duley's logic - Ivins is "permanently committed." He has a total recovery. They decide it was some chemical that caused a temporary break. But they can't let him go since he's "permanently committed." Give me a break!


In response to this, sfexpat2000 and suffragette refer to a thread with links to the audiotapes of Duley's testimony and the revelation as reported by Scott Creighton that where Bruce Ivins was concerned, "she was helping the FBI FRAME HIM"-!!!

Most of reporting uncritically based on Duley's restraining order hearing audio
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3724189

To quote vickiss on a thread I started, "Do all government employees below the WH level have the same middle name? Patsy?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3730203

The plot thickens...